When using W231/HP38 in .357 magnum loads, you essentially build loads which can be fired in a .357 magnum as opposed to true full power actual .357 magnum ammunition. VihtaVuori Oy Company, reloading booklet For the 158 grain JHP the MV I'm probably gonna run off about 750 rounds, using hard cast 158 grain SWC. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. My friend the late John Wootters raised this question in an article from 1983 and even before this, in November 1982, Ken Waters published Pet Loads for the .357 Magnum Carbine.. Any brand-Small Pistol (Magnum) Details. We dont always need full power loads and my more pleasant shooting loads are assembled with H4227. Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. The .357 Magnum: Most Versatile Handgun Round Ever? The big advantage with the rifle is the fact it is not only easier to shoot at longer ranges but it also picks up significant muzzle velocity over a sixgun barrel. For plinking and target loads Hodgdon's Univeral Clay's w . My favorite powder for .357 Mag with 158 gr. Factory warranties may apply in some cases. Clays OR 5.0 gr. same bullets to a MV of 1409 fps. I was surprised by how dirty and smokey my rounds were. of what some consider a forgotten Magnum! Optimal accuracy? Giveaway prizes may have evidence of being test fired or exhibit minor handling marks. All my .38/.357 guns love this load (S&W 642/Ruger Blackhawks/Ruger GP100/Marlin 1894 Cowboy). That's with magnum primers. The Smith & Wesson Model 29 is the sixgun by which all other .44 Magnums are judged. State Agency: For heavy loads, the Speer They claim it is position insensitive but, I am not buying that. Muzzle velocity from a 4-5/8 Ruger Old Model Flat-Top are 1,050 fps and 1,150 feet per second respectively. In these, I like to load a 130 grain lead flat point bullet over a charge of 700X that shoots to point of aim. Any thoughts? While visiting a gun shop south of us a year or so ago they recommended against 2400. This is a good load. Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife, State Agency: Left to right: 160 gr. Figure 3. a slower burning powder, I suggest H-4227, LilGun, W-296,2400, HS6 or No. It was our first magnum revolver cartridge and offered sensational velocities for that era, as it advertised a 158-grain SWC-style bullet at 1,510 feet per second (fps) from a 834-inch barrel, but was around 1,400 to 1,450 fps in most revolvers. flatnose hard cast bullet. First time using lead cast bullets. When Im researching guns and I find myself in that fevered moment where I must have a new treasure, my most common check against excess is a simple mental test: 1) Is it going to do anything my .357 Magnums wont do? Hodgdon CFE Pistol is best suited for cartridges producing the middle range of power (non-magnum pistol loads in most calibers including 500 S&W). John said in 1983, All in all, I wound up this research project considerably more impressed with the .357 Magnum as a rifle cartridge than I expected to be when I started out the little pistol round can deliver the goods in a rifle and more importantly, provide an awful lot of shooting fun per penny in the process. It's also useful in somewhat reduced loads for the 357 and 44 magnum cartridges. I use 4.2 grs. guys", but have not provided top accuracy in my .357 handguns. I'm thinking Unique, but I'm not sure. Any .357 Magnum revolver Contest open to U.S. residents only. Winners will be notified by certified mail on official letterhead. I've found it to be a good all around powder for most straight wall handgun cartridges. Read More Handloading Articles KE4GWE - - - - - - Colt 1860, it just, kids that hunt and fish dont mug old ladies. Deployed military should use stateside address. If you have Whenever You Try To Make Something IDIOT PROOFThey Will Just Make Better IDIOTS! You are using an out of date browser. 2021. Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources, State Agency: Mail-in entries accepted; send postcards (no envelopes) to: GUNS Magazine, Altor Pistols, P.O. Something that might not handle a double charge even from it. They list Titegroup for .357 mag with a 158 gr XTP. The loads are not updated yearly. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. However, it gains right at 400 fps from the 18-1/2 Marlin 1894 and puts three shots in 3/4 at 45 yards. 5.5 to 5.8 grains of Titegroup always worked well for me with pretty much any jacketed or plated 158 gr. found the 140-146 grain bullets to be a good all-around choice for use by 9.8 grains of HS-6. Reduced loads in those two can cause some undesirable issues. over 20 years it was simply known as "the Magnum," as there was no In 1935, Smith & Wesson introduced the .357 Magnum. HP-38. Load data is available for 9mm Luger, .38 Super Auto, .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .40 S&W, .44 S&W Special, .44 Remington Magnum, .45 ACP and . Just me, and, I have never had a bad time using Titegroup but, sticking to good reloading practices dictates that there should be enough case fill so as to avoid any possibility of a double charge. (Photo: Andy C). The .44 Magnum loads were also a bit modest and could have been pushed harder. If part of your plinking enjoyment is testing new handloads for flat shooting and serious speed, the .357 is a cartridge chemists dream. Contest void where prohibited by law. Your mileage may vary. Deployed military should use stateside address. containers. As most revolver cartridges fade further into obscurity every year, the .357 continues to have new life breathed into it by ammunition companies and gun manufacturers who recognize the demand for this venerable cartridge. Hawaii Department of Land & Natural Resources, State Agency: Can't seem to find any load data for these specific bullets. (II) Limit one (1) entry per household; multiple entries will disqualify entrants. Basic Reloaders Manual (1996) Speer Reloading Manual, #12 Winchester JavaScript is disabled. In the 1:16 16.25 barrels, we tested loads from subsonic .38 Special to a stout .357 Maximum and everything in between. I keep my loads to 1,100 FPS in the .357 magnum w/ cast bullets. Titegroup, 100% burnt at 1.65 inches of barrel length. IPSCs revolver division rules basically demand a .45 ACP moonclip gun, but in IDPA the speedloader-fed .357 magnums are alive and well. Two guns, one cartridge: The Marlin 1894 and the Ruger Old Model. It has shot superbly in S & W "N"-frames of 4, 5, and 6".. and also in a Marlin M1894SC .357Mag . (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. , to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. Take it from a guy that chased for the holy grail of powder to do both well for over a yearjust buy two different powders. A forum community dedicated to Smith & Wesson firearm owners and enthusiasts. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. I also like to load a 148 grain wadcutter with Autocomp, and find its superbly accurate with more thump but better range to 50 yards. the original magnum pistol cartridge, was introduced in 1935 by Smith Nor with small hard bullets are you going to be leading free. I am used to lighter bullets for 38 SC and 9 Major but I see most of the people use heavier bullets in .357? Copyright 2004, 2016 by Chuck Hawks. "I'm not often right but I've never been wrong. When tactical lights first came out, we all thought the 50 lumens they offered was astounding and could never get better. 231 is fine for a 38 load but not slow enough for a full house 357. The faster it burns after ignition, the less unburnt powder and "muzzle flash" on shorter-barreled guns, and quicker velocity attainment on longer-barreled ones. Reloading Scale, Powder Scale for Reloading, 1500 Grains X 0.1 Gn, Digital Powd. Contest void where prohibited by law. Powder requirements for the plated bullets are supposed to be half way between lead and jacketed reloading data. For the most part, I use the same loads in .357 Magnum leverguns as I do in sixguns chambered for the same cartridge. Alliant Powder Smokeless Powders. back in the 1930s) should reach over 1500 f.p.s. H110 and Win 296 is the most common magnum loads for .357 Magnum. Made from a flexible urethane material. bullet. Is a VERY GOOD powder for mid range .357 loads but would opt out on this one for hotter personal defense loads or hunting ammo . Result of not working out is a kaboom and potential injury. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Available in 1 lb., 4 lb. Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. I need to pick up projectiles for 38 and 357 for a 357 Ruger Revolver and a Rossi lever. What powder is best for reloading 357 magnum hunting loads, using 180gr bullets? It won't give velocities QUITE as impressive as H110 or IMR-4227, but it can be started at 10% under max . (III) Giveaway winner(s) chosen by random drawing. The reason my loads for the .357 Magnum levergun are the same as they are for the .357 Magnum sixgun is simply because the whole point is to be able to use the same load in both. I highly recommend using 2 different powders to achieve the best results or those 2 very different rounds. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Winners must respond within 30 days of receiving notification or an alternate winner will be selected. Becoming one of my favorite powders for .32 and .38 revolvers. vtducrider said: Not looking for full power 357mag loads. An alternative is the Buffalo Bore 180-grain hard-cast. To simplify for conversation's sake, I generally regard loads as low, mid or full and further specify if the context warrants, e.g. 38/. You can get some rounds with wallop from a manufacturerbut itll cost you. grain bullets are the top choices for personal defense against "bad It's a very fast powder so there's not alot of room between starting and max loads. We try 2 different powders, Hodgdon Lilgun and Alliant 300-MP. Ammo, Inc. Signature .38 Special - 125 Grain TMJ (Total Metal Jacket) Brass Cased Centerfire Pistol Ammunition - Best Stopping Power .38 Special Ammo. They list 4 gn of Unique will give 900 FPS with a 140gn bullet. Employees and agents of Publishers Development Corp. are not eligible. You can add Hodgdon Lil'Gun for heavier bullet in the .357 Magnum. The reason I moved to Alliant Power Pro 300MP was I was impressed with what I read about it and have found it to be very clean burning, relatively low muzzle flash, accurate and can get a 150 to 250 more fps while still keeping well within the SAAMI 35,000 psi limit. Prizes will not be awarded if illegal in jurisdiction of winners. It is a special powder developed for Cowboy Action Shooters using lead bullets. 0 Comments. West Virginia Division of Natural Resources, State Agency: Rottiejake said: I'm caught up with all my loads except .357 mag. fps, and a maximum load of 17.2 grains of H110 will drive the same cartridges. I've tried Unique and Bullseye, and I've found the Red Dot burns cleaner . The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. Associated taxes and fees are the responsibility of winners. Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, State Agency: Alliant Powder Reload Recipes. Big enough that components can be easily handled, small enough not to need special gear, and common enough to be inexpensive. Minnesota Deptartment of Natural Resources, State Agency: I use Clays in .38s. I have also used Unique with success on lighter loads, Bullseye, Red Dot and American Select didn't impress me for 357 but I didn't try too hard either. There are now 25 states with so-called Constitutional carry and Florida appears to be approaching permitless carry, which translates to more citizens S&W Set The Bar For Magnum Handgun Performance 50 Years Ago. Vihtavuori provides load data for .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt. Jul 22, 2015. Winchester #209 777 Primers - 100-Pack. That's not what you asked at all. It looks like anything over 950 fps is pretty much topping out the range for this revolver. Reloading Manual shows that 13.9 grains of H110 will drive I've got a closet with at least 10 different powders. bought commercially (in the 70s). Cowboy Action Shooting .357 load. Maximum versatility? I have used 2400 for 357 but like it better for 44 Mag. I have gotten the best results/grouping with all three using 18 grains of 300MP with Hornady 158 grain XTP's. Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, State Agency: If you enjoy the forum please consider supporting it by signing up for aNES Membership The benefits pay for the membership many times over. No substitutions or transfers to third parties allowed. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. in the field and very accurate. . Arkansas Game & Fish Commission, State Agency: Hornady XTP HP's is Accurate Arms #9 powder. Massachusetts Division of Fisheries & Wildlife, State Agency: I have been reloading Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for DILLION CARBIDE 45 LONG COLT 3 DIE SET #14405 NOS RELOADING at the best online prices at eBay! To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Below, are three loaded rounds. Contest void where prohibited by law. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. I have found Winchester W231 If you do use Titegroup, be aware that it is a particularly compact powder. Hodgdon - 700-X. A Magnum primer will help get a complete burn with HP38/W231. Recipe for 230 grain round nose powder coated .45ACP, Need couple pieces of 38 SC or 38 TJ brass. My second choice for light loads would be Winchester 231 or Hodgdon HP-38 which are the same powder. Life is worth living make every minute of every day count for you. To protect the privacy and security of winners, names will not be made public. Free shipping for many products! 32 Auto. that can be adapted to all types of activity. North Dakota Game & Fish Department, State Agency: The minimum charge of WW296 (H-110 same stuff ) Winchester used to publish in the re-loading pamphlet was 14.5gr and SP Magnum primer, under a 158gr SWC. (IV) Winners must undergo a background check (if required) and comply with all other federal, state and local laws. I have been working up some loads for my 357's (686 6", 27 5", and 28 4") using Alliant Power Pro 300MP. The firearm hobby is a broad one, with many subdivisions of interest and activity. all magnum handgun cartridges and among the top 10 best selling handgun Reloading bench, featuring the very reloadable .357. length article about the .357 Magnum can be found on the Handgun Louisiana Department of Wildlife & Fisheries, State Agency: Montana Fish, Wildlife & Parks, State Agency: Follow the reloading manuals precisely.