The testing was done over several range sessions. I understand this is an old thread, but want to reply anyway. A 50-grain V-Max exiting the muzzle of a rifle in .223 Rem. As A-2230s name implies, its designed around the .223 Remington. The overall average for the Model 336 was 0.92 inch; it was 1.07 inches for the Outfitter. became obvious that we were also, unavoidably, testing the ammunition The distances at which the bullets still have 1,000 ft-lbs of retained energy is 265 yards for the FTX and 175 yards for the roundnose. His most successful wildcat, the .17 Hornet Improved, requires an RCBS die set for forming the case. My 17 won't shoot the 20 gr VMAX and the 25 seems to give better air time. J. Scott Rupp takes a first look at the Springfield M1A Loaded rifle chambered in the popular 6.5 Creedmoor. Beth Shimanski of Savage introduces their all new straight-pull rifle. When I prepare for the spring gopher campaign, I load a big batch of .223s with this powder and 40-grain bullets. Remington 7 1/2 BR. Westerns data guide lists A-2200 loads for the .17 Hornet, .223 Remington, 6mm PPC and 6mm BR. Following are the Average Overall Group Size test results for the various .17 caliber rimfire rifles reviewed by Guns and Shooting Online (measured in inches). He was a college professor, a gifted machinist, a writer, a barrel maker, a bullet maker, a builder of rifles and an avid experimenter. Last edited by obaro; 04/10/20 09:18 AM. The powders have a number ranking. I prefer to zero a varmint rifle for its maximum point Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Accurate 2460 shot 20- and 25-grain bullets a good 250 fps faster than other powders loaded in the .17 Fireball, and with great accuracy. Madison, Wi. The second rifle is a Traditions Outfitter single shot. With the smallest RifleShooter Magazine editor Scott Rupp breaks down all the features of the Mossberg Patriot Predator rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC. Typically, groups with each rifle are fired for record by three or four Guns and Shooting Online staffers and/or contributors. ft. lbs. Power Pro 2000MR, IMR 4064, VV N135, TAC, and X-Terminator showed promise with good groups and low C.O.V.s. At 200 yards, the velocity has lost a further 1,000fps and is around the 2,000fps mark and energy has dropped to 133ft/lb. Hornady bullets registered 2,454 fps burning 51.5 grains of the powder from the 22-inch barrel of a Remington Model 700 Whelen. What It Is Not. It's pure poison on deer-size game out to 600 yards. I shot LT-32 in two bolt-action .223 Remingtons and LT-30 and LT-32 in a CZ bolt-action 7.62x39. My most accurate 222 rem. I do NOT recommend this load for any other 41 Mag revolver. Recently picked up another old Sako Vixen (L46) this one in 222 Rem Mag., and so far, best load is 26.5 IMR 4895, 50 gr. The .17 ballistics The claimed Shooting reloads may void any warranty on your firearm. Accurate Arms was incorporated in McEwen, Tennessee, in 1980, after several years of selling surplus powders from the U.S. government. It has a 20-inch barrel with Marlins Micro-Groove rifling and a 1:16-inch twist, and it wears a Cabelas Pine Ridge 3-9X 40mm scope. a whopping 8" at 150 yards. Moving to bigger cartridges, when the Hornady 20-grain V-Max exits the .17 Rem. shooting benches using a Caldwell Lead Sled rifle rest. I tried 26 grains of Win 760 with hornady 25grain hps and got some better results with that(not that much better though only about 1.5 MOA). Certainly, it was the most You can't push it through grass or a sage brush & expect the bullet to make it to the critter. The .17 Winchester Super Magnum (.17 WSM) is based on a Winchester .270 commercial nail gun case necked down to accept .17 caliber bullets. The CCI A17 load has a catalog MV of 2650 fps and chronographed between 2775 and 2809 fps from our test rifles. loads, this is obviously very accurate factory loaded ammunition. September 21st, 2007 17 Rem Fireball Load Data Now Available Hodgdon powder has recently updated its interactive Reloading Data Center to include load information for the new 17 Remington Fireball. It may seem odd that a cartridge shooting fat, heavy bullets at moderate velocities would still be popular 116 years after its introduction. Today, the .35 Rem. In an attempt to eliminate as much The jacket has a thinner tapered front section with an expanded bearing surface and a long secant ogive. If you are shooting magpies, crows or other feathered vermin then a rapidly expanding 15-grain or 18-grain Berger is just the ticket. A standard for the .35 Rem. The 7mm Remington Magnum rifle cartridge was introduced as a commercially available round in 1962, along with the new Remington Model 700 bolt-action rifle.It is a member of the belted magnum family that is directly derived from the venerable .375 H&H Magnum. We are running a top end load so START low and work up!!!. Next was the .32 Winchester Special in 1902. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The spherical powder flows smoothly and precisely through a measure, so powder is dispensed directly into cases to reduce loading time. In those days, Winchester had the edge on the market with the popular Model 1984 and its fleet of cartridges. These results speak for themselves. Cartridge Use & HistoryThe .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles.It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. H-4350 shot the bullets 98 fps faster than Accurate and 43 fps faster than IMR. Powder and charge in grains: 70.7 grains of H1000 for 168s, 69.0 grains with 180s. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. I fired 21 handloads in the Model 336 and 10 loads in the Outfitter. and similar-sized cases is good ol H4895. Thus, the judicious reloader should not try to soup up handloads. ), A few precautions must be heeded when loading rounds like the .35 Rem. Only thing I don't like about the 17 cal is, bullets. I prefer the 25-grain V-Max in the .17 Remington because it slices through wind a bit better than the 20-grain version, and it delivers more energy to boot. Wind drift is the .17 HMR's Achilles heel. Standard Large Rifle primers are perfectly adequate for the .35 Rem., as most powder charges are in the 40- to 45-grains range. The .172 (not .177) calibre is tiny and the barrels, cleaning rods, powder funnels as well as good bullets, all proved difficult to source. varmint bullet at a MV of 2550 fps and ME of 245 ft. lbs. Both LVR and H4895 shot well, and the velocities in the Outfitters 22-inch barrel were only marginally faster than in the Model 336s 20-inch barrel. Kimber's Hunter Pro Desolve Blak takes the firm's more affordable mountain rifle to new heights. It is my fox calibre/combination of choice and, when fed 25 grains of my beloved RL15, that elongated needle of a projectile steps out just shy of the 4,000fps mark at 3,975fps still good enough. The Rossi RB17 can usually be had for well under $200 but have all the features the .17 HMR crowd looks for including a 21-inch free-float barrel with integrated Weaver-style scope mounts. Similarly with the 18 grain, 24 grain of RL15 yielded only 3,875fps and an increase of one grain to 25 grain topped out at 4,222fps. This means the bullet hits dead on at 145 yards and about 1.5" low at this is the loads tested today: H4198 - 4 shot groups at 100 yds . gave us the best aiming precision. Remington Model 547 Custom C Grade, .17 HMR - 0.69" (Remington) Anschutz Model 1717 D Classic, .17 HMR - 0.73" (CCI) . And which possesses a flat trajectory with a very small risk of ricochets, combined with little recoil? The CCI A17 load uses a 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet at a claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. at 3,400 fps and zeroed the same is down three inches at 100 yards. The 220-grain bullet clocked 2,131 fps over 43.0 grains of LVR. I have weighed four brands of cases and found considerable variation (10.4 percent) from the lightest (Hornady, at 145.0 grains) and the heaviest (Winchester, at 160.1 grains). The accuracy and integrity of the larger 30 grain ensures a better ballistic coefficient and, as such, retains more energy down-range and is better constructed to penetrate foxes yet still expand without any nasty entry wounds, so long as the range is not too long. 96 fps; average = 2559 fps. Western's data guide lists A-2200 loads for the .17 Hornet, .223 Remington, 6mm PPC and 6mm BR. Chambered in its popular Model 700 bolt-action rifle with a 24in barrel, the 25-grain Power Lokt bullet surpassed the magical 4,000fps barrier and a new varmint cartridge was born. rifle to do some accuracy testing to discover what load shoots best in This is still capable of cleanly killing a fox. It is a great powder for cartridges from the .17 Remington Fireball to the .22-250 Remington. Accuracy, again, is phenomenal, 0.5in or better at 100 yards. Travis if you are interrested in the load PM me and I'll send it. The Remington Model Seven is ready, willing and able to handle just about any task. After that, the die is set for head-spacing on the shoulder of the case. Here are the I have now owned five different .17 Remingtons and served my apprenticeship on the reloading table and in the field to see just how these mini-torpedoes tick. The 260 Remington is essentially the old wildcated 6.5-08, a 308 necked down to the .264 bullet. Thats as fast as any powder has shot that bullet weight from my 7mm Magnum. All recorded groups are fired from a solid bench rest at an outdoor rifle range. The CCI A17 load uses a 17 grain Varmint Tip bullet at a placed at a distance of 10 feet from the muzzle of the test rifle. I shoot mostly 25gr v-max , pushed by TAC in my 17 these days , I feel it gives a little more splat than the 20 gr. This slow-burning, double-based spherical powder is intended mainly for short magnum cartridges and the 7mm and .300 belted magnums. Introduced in 1965 with the .444 Marlin cartridge, the Model 444 was the most powerful lever action of its day. blank range (MPBR), allowing a 1.5" deviation above and below the line I also load 72gr in a Browning X-bolt, for a good . WARNING: The loads shown here are safe only in the guns for which they were developed. The Model 8 was offered in the .25, .30, .32, and .35 Remingtons. Remington 7 1/2. Of course, varmint hunting is an outdoor I use a book max load of varget of 24.5g and 25 grain berger match HP's. Drifts at 300 yards in a 10-mph cross breeze are 14 inches for the .17 Hornet versus 11 inches for the .223 Rem. (I used Hornady dies in my Redding T-7 Turret press to prepare the handloads for this article. 50 v-max at .020" off the lands. A more important metric, however, is downrange energy. Best powders The powder shot 139-grain bullets a touch over 3,300 fps from a 7mm Remington Magnum. Plus, these fine-grained powders metered well. extreme spread 77 fps; average = 2658 fps. hotter than the one listed in the 1st post and hope to be getting approx. load exceeded its published MV by 45 fps, the Remington Premier load Moving up in powder capacity, the .17 Mach IV was introduced during the 1960s by Las Vegas gunsmith Vern OBrien, whose custom rifles were on the dainty Sako L46 action. We have found the accuracy potential of all three cartridges to be excellent and essentially the same. At longer ranges past 200 yards the 30-grain bullets do not always expand predictably, so take note. The new .20 calibres now coming on to the market, however, are very interesting and will be my next calibre to review. This is using the 25 VMAX and Benchmark. Best accuracy came with the 20-grain V-Maxs at 100 yards, with all shots hovering at 0.45in. I'm burning Tac and 25 gr VMAX in my old 17 Rem and it really shoots well. ballistic coefficient (BC) of this bullet at .123. rifles reviewed for Guns and Shooting Online, it Federal Hunter Match. The spherical powder flows easily and precisely through a powder measure. The powder is just right for the Swift. The smallest cartridge was the .25-35 Winchester, which preceded the .30-30 Winchester by a few months, both of which were introduced in 1895. But I and my customers experienced an almost Zen-like target using my commercial 230g Golden Saber SD load. FEDERAL Premium V-Shok: smallest group 11/16"; The list of bullets suitable for the .35 Rem. (Both 15-grain and 18-grain bullets can be loaded faster but you are restricted by barrel length to achieve velocities and erratic bullet performance, blow-ups for instance.). The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. Hornady Load Data. Give a Gift A steadily mounting accumulation of data makes the following list possible. British deer: A guide to identifying the six species found here and where to stalk them, Choosing the right bullets for deer stalking. These were usually 17 grain varmint hunting loads and Shooting Online Chrony chronograph. The idea is to set the shoulder back enough to allow easy chambering but not so much as to cause an incipient case head separation. CCI TNT: smallest group 1/2"; largest group 2-1/4"; The Remington factory load of a 25-grain bullet travelling at approximately 3,900fps (from my rifle) generating 845ft/lb energy is great if you do not want to reload. Joined: Dec 2015. Please enable javascript before you are allowed to see this page. Gee, I thought there'd be a bunch of posts on this one! We used the four claimed MV of 2650 fps and ME of 264 ft. lbs. 100 yard groups running from .5 minute of angle (MOA) to .9375 MOA and The catalog 100 yard velocity is 1900 fps and the 100 yard All RifleShooter subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. were shipped to Australian fox hunters than to dealers in the United States because it did not damage pelts as much as larger calibers. sierra Gameking , AOL. Bullet weight: 168, 180 Berger HVLDs. 1-9/16"; mean average group = 1-1/4". I find that the 25/06 can use any powder that falls between number 112 (IMR 4350) and number 137 (Retumbo) depending on the bullet weight. In a precision-built rifle with a good barrel, the .17 Rem. Accurate 5744 and Berger 40-grain Varmint bullets at 2,438 fps shot this group at 100 yards. The chronograph was consisted of 5-shot groups at 100 yards. I also use Berger bullets, which offer weights from 15-grain, 18-grain, 20-grain, 22-grain and 25-grain bullets, with two heavier bullets of 30 grain and 37 grain. Accuracy was great, but velocity was slower than with other powders. Remember, the above accuracy results are averages with all brands of ammunition tested. The brass is good quality and it's great for reloading, and the loaded ammo isn't much more expensive once fired brass, which is hard to find for the .22 Hornet. 165 yards, for a MPBR (+/- 1.5") of 165 yards. The 3100 fps. rounds of ammunition for record. If not, the bullet comes apart in the barrel or on the way to the target. My gun likes alot of jump to the lands. REMINGTON Premier AccuTip-V: high 2626 fps; low 2591